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Post by Exaythe the Abjurer on Oct 16, 2006 15:13:58 GMT -1
Anybody has the information, from any sources, on practical Draenei lore? On facts of their society, of their character, even age. I've heard there is some nifty data in Role Play books, may be anybody has them in their posession?
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iuthalin
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Post by iuthalin on Oct 18, 2006 22:46:58 GMT -1
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Post by narazen on Jan 10, 2007 20:53:20 GMT -1
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Post by Exaythe the Abjurer on Jan 11, 2007 9:40:35 GMT -1
Paladins and Priests
I found out that Draenei use other naming for these classes.
Paladins = Vindicators
while Paladin clearly indicates a Knight, a medieval hero going on the quest and keeping his code of Chivalry, the Vindocator is something different.
To Vindicate means to clean something from shame and dishonor, to continue ones work in way. As such Vindicators: pay great attention to Honor, and try to restore it (by Fighting Evil which consumed larg part of the race?) They are NOT like classic paladins, they are no Knights in Shining armour, rather warriors of great honor and resolve wielding the Light (As such they are -no- preachers)
Priests = Anchorites
Anchorite is a sort of religious hermit, who devotes himself to meditation and understand of divine ways. Draenei anchorites are no hermits, as such I think they are more of scholars and are closer to buddhist monks rather than to Catholic priests. They are no preachers, rather more of Guides as in eastern philosofies, so draenei priest should be adressed as Sensei, rather than Father....so to speak
PS: Female version: Anchoress
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Hobulon
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Post by Hobulon on Jan 12, 2007 7:24:14 GMT -1
Paladins and Priests I found out that Draenei use other naming for these classes. Paladins = Vindicators while Paladin clearly indicates a Knight, a medieval hero going on the quest and keeping his code of Chivalry, the Vindocator is something different. To Vindicate means to clean something from shame and dishonor, to continue ones work in way. As such Vindicators: pay great attention to Honor, and try to restore it (by Fighting Evil which consumed larg part of the race?) They are NOT like classic paladins, they are no Knights in Shining armour, rather warriors of great honor and resolve wielding the Light (As such they are -no- preachers) Priests = Anchorites Anchorite is a sort of religious hermit, who devotes himself to meditation and understand of divine ways. Draenei anchorites are no hermits, as such I think they are more of scholars and are closer to buddhist monks rather than to Catholic priests. They are no preachers, rather more of Guides as in eastern philosofies, so draenei priest should be adressed as Sensei, rather than Father....so to speak PS: Female version: Anchoress Loved it, made me want to roll a Vindicator!
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Post by Drustai on Jan 19, 2007 1:38:12 GMT -1
I'm reading 'Rise of the Horde' right now. It has a little bit of information on the Draenei.
Information (that I've read so far):
Capital city (or at least the grandest city) on Argus was Mac'Aree (this isn't from the book, but from in-game). Known cities that were on Draeneor: Shattrath, Temple of Karabor, Telmor Draenei resting place on Draenor: Auchindoun (near Telmor), also known as the city of the dead. Draenei bury their dead.
Details of the flight from Argus: Only a couple hundred Draenei fled with Velen. The rest became man'ari. They gathered on the 'longest day of the year' on the 'tallest mountain of Argus'. K'ure, the original naaru inside of the Exodar, appeared above them, wrapped them in a shield of light (think giant bubble), and they ascended into the Exodar, which then vanished out of sight. Velen stole the ata'mal crystal from a grand community temple on Argus, which was given to the Draenei millenia ago by the naaru and is what 'summoned' the Exodar to them. The crystal broke into 7 pieces when the Exodar appeared. It was warm to the touch, and could grant healing and visions.
Kil'jaeden is not so corrupt as to be beyond human comprehension. He, and Archimonde, still believe they are doing what is best for the eredar race and that Velen was a fool and traitor. He doesn't believe he is evil. (no mustache-twirling). The man'ari eredar view life as the end justifies the means, and that the strongest have natural right of power, survival of the fittest. They are not corrupted by blood, but instead pursue the goals of the Legion out of voluntary free will.
Draenei do not have children very often. Because they are so long-lived, they do not generate offspring very rapidly. When Durotan and Orgrim stayed for a day in the Telmor, they saw not a single Draenei child.
Draenei seem to believe themselves superior to other races. Not in condescending way, but sort of like a parent or guardian. They have a 'holier-than-thou' belief in regards to wanting to protect other races. Similar to the way you would treat a pet. You love it and care for it but know that you are far greater than it (and thus is your duty to protect that which is less fortunate as you). To other races, this belief can come across as haughty and arrogant.
Draenei hunt in the same manner as orcs. They do not seem to cultivate livestock. In Rise of the Horde, bands of Draenei hunting parties go out and stalk animal herds, and pick singles off from the pack.
The orcs started attacking the Draenei before they drank the blood of Manneroth. They were still corrupted by Kil'jaeden, but not through direct blood corruption. They were corrupted by lies and tricks, but willingly made the choice to attack the Draenei and see them as a threat.
Velen is very, very, very, very old. He is describing as being not only far older than an Elder, but so old, that he is older than ancient. Durotan describes him as being all but outside of the space of time itself.
And another thing (not fact, but my opinion): I believe the Draenei have community-families rather than smaller family units (in other words: they are more like orcish society than human in terms of family, where entire communities/clans are raised as one big family). If you look at the Exodar, there isn't a single house. Even the inn puts the beds right next to each other. There are no doors, and no separate rooms (although Rise of the Horde conflicts with this, as it shows the Draenei having rooms).
That's all I can think of now. When I finish the rest of the book, I'll write down any other stuff I come across.
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narazen
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Post by narazen on Jan 19, 2007 7:19:29 GMT -1
Lore should be on teh internetz, not in books.
At least that confirms that 50000 years isn't a normal Draenei age. Still doesn't confirm anything about their real lifespan...
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Post by Drustai on Jan 19, 2007 8:00:29 GMT -1
Lore should be on teh internetz, not in books. At least that confirms that 50000 years isn't a normal Draenei age. Still doesn't confirm anything about their real lifespan... 25000 years still seems to be an apt age for normal Draenei, however. Though Velen is very very old, there are other Draenei who are still alive who were old even before the flight from Argus.
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Post by Drustai on Jan 20, 2007 4:17:37 GMT -1
Just finished it today (yes, I went through the book very quickly).
Unfortunately, there isn't much more information outside of what I've already said. Some of the latter chapters though are very nicely portrayed, especially the sacking of Shattrath (which was the Draenei capital city on Draenor).
I'll see about writing some of them down or scanning them.
Oh, one other thing, about their ages:
MOST Draenei, were alive on Argus. 25000 years ago. According to this passage:
That passage right there states that only a very few Draenei are unable to recall Argus. While the ratio now is probably closer to 50% because the destruction of all but a handful of Draenei, that still means that it is *normal* for Draenei to reach 25000 years old, and older.
Another thing: The sacking of Shattrath almost made the Draenei race extinct. Velen knowingly had the people living there stay there to be slaughtered. They died volunatarily. Velen and Larohir devised that the orcs would not stop until every last Draenei was dead--and that the only way to achieve that was to make them believe it was true. And the only way for it to look true, was if it was true. Even though Shattrath *could* have been evacuated, Velen ordered the Draenei there to defend it with their last breath, even though they had no chance at all. (though he *did* tell them why they had to stay and fight, and they voluntarily did so)
This is an extremely complicated moral decision and it is very likely that some of the Draenei that are still alive believe that Velen *could* have saved the people of Shattrath, and instead sent them knowingly to their deaths. In other words: a good RP hook.
It also means that, because Velen made sure to make it look like the entire Draenei race had been all but wiped out by only saving a small handful, that the NPCs and players we see in-game aren't just a representation of a greater whole, but are quite possibly the exact number of Draenei that still live. Draenei probably number less than 100 right now. They fled from Argus with only several hundred, and the orcs slaughtered almost all of them, so it is very likely that there are only 50-100 Draenei left in existence. (which would mean that the players in our guild are quite possibly 10% or more of the entire Draenei population)
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Nyran
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Post by Nyran on Jan 20, 2007 8:46:27 GMT -1
Loving the Rise of the Horde as well!.. haven't finished, so I had to tear my eyes off the screen halfway through your post Just had a moment of englightment there and thought I'd search for 'Karabor'.. guess what: "Before the shattering of Draenor, the Black Temple was once the Temple of Karabor, a sacred site to the Draenei. Shortly after the formation of the Horde, Gul'dan ordered the temple conquered, and transformed it into the headquarters for the Shadow Council, renaming it the Black Temple in the process." Sorry just woke up.. lore can't wait though -(edit)- I love lore, because wait, there's more to this as well! "I am K'ure of the naaru. You stand within the heart of my ancient vessel.
Oshu'gun, as the orcs named it, is the ship that first brought the draenei to this world. Though we fell from the heavens and crashed (I laughed..) here many hundreds of years ago, my weakened energies have remained trapped within this wreckage. Regrettably, I am the source of the orc spirits' pain."
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Post by narazen on Jan 20, 2007 9:31:41 GMT -1
I just yesterday asked Xarantaur about it, and he gave the same awnser.
Makes me wonder how old Velen really is...
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Post by Exaythe the Abjurer on Jan 20, 2007 16:24:41 GMT -1
Age is serious problem, and Velen aint your general "saint"
he feels no remorse slaughtering enemies, and very easily gave orders to kill Blood Elves. Not in a highly morale way, but more of "Kill them. Kill them all" (Referring to Vision of Velen which meets Matis the Cruel, and entire dialogue)
But then again, Velen is probably too old to care for things many consider important. I mean, for instance, what is a human life worth to him? He -is- MUCH older than Human History, and even probably older than Night Elven history.
For instance, my char doesn't feel attracted to elven ruins and doesn't consider them ancient....they are roughly twice her age. IRL many care for pyramids and ancient stuff, but would you care for a building from 1960's ?
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narazen
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Post by narazen on Jan 20, 2007 19:41:50 GMT -1
Uhm, lots of people care for buildings from the 60s.
Especially if they live in them *cough*
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Post by molihe on Apr 14, 2008 1:26:09 GMT -1
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Post by google on Apr 17, 2008 7:18:38 GMT -1
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